Tungsten T2 Price Drop, Zire 71 Special
The price on the palmOne Tungsten T2 has been lowered by $50. The Zire 71 has also been reduced with a new $50 mail in rebate.
The palmOne Tungsten T2 suggested retail price has been lowered to $299, from $349. The T2 runs a 144mhz TI OMAP1510, comes with 32 MB of RAM and features integrated Bluetooth. You can read more in the PIC review. There is free ground shipping on most new handhelds when ordered from the palmOne online store.
The Zire 71 is now being offered at $199 after a $50 rebate. The mail in rebate offer is good on any Zire purchases from now until June 1. The Zire 71 runs Palm OS 5.2.1 and uses a 144MHz Texas Instruments OMAP310 (ARM) processor. The display is a 16-Bit, 320x320 bright transflective TFT color display, which supports more than 65,000 colors. It includes 16MB of internal memory (13MB is user accessible). It has a hidden, built in VGA digital camera that can take quick snapshots. More in our review. Other online retailers are offering the model at even lower prices.
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PalmOS: Prepare to meet thy doom!
http://www.mtekk.com.au/browse/page616.html
Just remember: OS6 has no landscape *built in*.
As well as not having a silly thing like an integrated filesystem.
Cue "Taps."
RE: PalmOS: Prepare to meet thy doom!
Licensees and software have already provided landscape support, I'm sure that will be a standard part of the OS in short order anyway. Not a big concern.
Also, what do you mean by PalmOS 6 not having a file system? Are you saying that Windows Mobile file support is faster than VFS or something? Or are you concerned that licensees will not allow portions of RAM to be used for general file/VFS use- they will allow this, and Sony has already shipped devices that do.
RE: PalmOS: Prepare to meet thy doom!
RE: PalmOS: Prepare to meet thy doom!
> Just remember: OS6 has no landscape *built in*.
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> As well as not having a silly thing like an integrated filesystem.
This is actually an advantage for PalmOS.
These features are trivial for licensees to add in. But by not being required, this allows licensees to build a much wider range of products, some undercutting PPC on price by a factor of over 2X !
RE: PalmOS: Prepare to meet thy doom!
After reading (not thoroughly) the link you posted, it seems to me that the landscape is more of a Licensee upgrade than an OS feature. Anyway, I tend to agree with the ones that consider it an advantage to not have native landscape. After all licensees have been giving it to us so it exists. Why did Sony missed it in their UX series, beats me but Zodiac has it, TT3, TH55 has it and so on.
About the file system, I have been arguing with myself about the real necessity of such feature. I mean there is one thing I love about my Clie: Although I do not know where the files are located, which of them are installed and which are left after I uninstall the app, the device always seems to work. Maybe your concern is more programming oriented but in that case why do we have so much software developed for Palm?
Additionally, probably it's silly to say this but with the windows file system I just need to erase a couple of files to leave my laptop useless.
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RE: PalmOS: Prepare to meet thy doom!
Is it not interesting that even thought Windows CE supports multiple screen resolutions from the beginning, Palm OS devices have surpassed Pocket PC in screen resolution?
Of course Palm encourages diversity betweem licencees while Microsoft does not.
RE: PalmOS: Prepare to meet thy doom!
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/printview.php?t=25165&start=0
As for the filesystem, when you get up there in the numbers of files you have, it's best to be able to collect things into folders. Have fun trying that!
Although Sony still hasn't provided landscape (grrr!), they *did* get some sense and license McFile to give users *some* sort of filesystem. Zod went them one better, so I have heard.
RE: PalmOS: Prepare to meet thy doom!
I prefer my laughs in person... like when a pal at work boasts that HIS device does landscape, then has to reset to get out again. Or how about when he jumps out of a pim app, then has to do a reset. Oops, he forgot to go back into the pim to save it... LOL! Then we can't ignore so many device that cannot handle more than one button press at a time. ROTFL!! I'll leave the alarms alone, despite it being something that the largest software giant in the world can't figure out.
The really funny one was when I was minding my own business, and a guy (obviously involved in a discussion with someone else on the subject) comes up and challenges me to to sync a 13Mb document with photos. He sends the doc via email, so I save it, send it to DTG and do a sync. About three minutes later, I'm going through the doc on my Palm, reading, looking at the pics, zooming in for details, reading the tables. I check on the other guy 10 minutes later, he's still waiting on ActiveSync. 15 minutes and still waiting. 20 minutes later it's time for lunch... his device locks and he tries again. We go to lunch while he stays behind. Returning from a nice meal, he's no longer waiting for ActiveSync because he has given up. Avoiding eye contact, he mutters something about having problems syncing the doc, then leaves to take a smoke.
Now THAT, is funny.
RE: PalmOS: Prepare to meet thy doom!
So VFS is there; Even the Zodiac has a VFS internal file system if anyone wants it.. but clearly the users want organization.. they don't care about the bits and bytes of it.
BTW, Landscape is not part of the reference architecture, but every licensee has access to it, or can easily built.. if little TapWave can build it into their device, then any big licensee can. Sony just sucks in that regard ;)
But nice troll mike :)
jeff
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RE: PalmOS: Prepare to meet thy doom!
The average PDA user doesn't care about a directory structure. They want to click on Memopad and just see memos. Tasks and just see tasks. Etc. How it happens under the hood doesn't matter. As long as it happens, they're happy. The PalmOS allows this to happen. This is the "My Documents" generation, who don't even know that My Documents is one folder of thousands and can contain things called SUBFOLDERS. They open MS Word and only see Word files (*.DOC). They're happy.
Even many PDA power-users want the same as above, because the PDA is a tool, and it needs to be efficient at what it does.
Only relatively advanced (power) users care about a directory structure. These same people will almost always be buying an expansion card anyway, and store most of their stuff there. Expansion cards support directory structures.
I don't see the problem.
RE: PalmOS: Prepare to meet thy doom!
For one, it keeps the rest of you sharp.
For two, you keep me sharp.
I keep forgetting about ActiveStink. Once you've had a *real* syncing program, you think *every* such program works with such finesse and elan.
RE: PalmOS: Prepare to meet thy doom!
Doesn't seem to be working. It just incites knee-jerk reactionaries and apologists.
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$199 Zire 71
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RE: $199 Zire 71
http://www.overstock.com/cgibin/d2.cgiPAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=496988
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RE: $199 Zire 71
Everyone in my family has a handheld except the toddler thanks to Overstock. Only problem is that friends think we're rich now...
Stay away from the T2
It also has a rattling LED light that was fixed in the T3. It sounds like there is a screw loose in the handheld. Also some of the T2s have a horrible blue-tint to them. It took me 3 T2s before I got one that was decent.
I want a refund.
Replacement for T|T2? T|T3
-alan
Bought Zire 71 from Sears for $118
It is not what I want at all. It hasn't enough memory, the camera is no longer what I need, and most crucially it lacks virtual grafitti. But for $118? I got it.
I am considering seeing what happens and how small it gets if you strip off the silver slider part and just tape over the camera. I feel like Dr. Frankenstein.
Or I might just play with it for a couple of day, get the rebate and Ebay it for $150-175.
Or let my Son use it for games. I know, that toggle directional control is probably terrible for most games. But, who knows it may work well for some. I don't do games myself.
I also picked up a wireless IRDA PalmOne keyboard to match for $49.99 from Amazon. These are a lot cheaper now than similar keyboards were last year. Cool.
I will probably wind up with a TE2 by the end of next month, but if this 71 works out I might just wait until the the Zire 73 (with OS 6) comes down to $118 in 18 months. What a great buyers market the PDA market is becoming.
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